I'm now going to attempt to copy over the very interesting posts from the other thread.
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If you'd like to learn more about what's going on with the strike, including a day-by-day play-by-play, check out Deadline Hollywood Daily. There are also a ton of informative and funny videos on YouTube. Anyone else who has links to resources, please post them.
I'm now going to attempt to copy over the very interesting posts from the other thread. |
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skyroom80 |
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I just hope an agreement can be reached before the networks decide to go with reality shows exclusively because reality shows are cheaper to produce and no pesky writers to appease. I don't think I could stand a diet of all reality, all the time.
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daria103 |
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I'm with you there Skyroom. I despise reality television, I couldn't bare there being nothing but that on.
I agree with the strike for the most part, I think with so many people resorting to internet and DVD to watch things when they want rather than in scheduled TV, it shouldn't just be the networks profiting from that. But then again, the information I have on the strike could just be tabloid rubbish. I don't feel well informed enough to have a concrete opinion on things. I read two different stories today on the state of things. Apparently networks are considering bringing in British writers to keep shows going, however, another story reported that the British Writers Guild are supporting the WGA and will not cross the picket line. I'm embarrassed to say that using British writer's never even crossed my mind as an option. I don't think it would work anyway, whole new sets of writers would see shows coming out too differently. |
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JaneDtwo |
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Quote:Sigh. This is really freaking me out. There is a "blind item" going around the net about some (unnamed but indicated) big-name, powerful producer who currently has a "bloody" show on TV (can anyone think of any other show that can be considered "bloody"?), who is flying in British writers to work on it. And, apparently, in gratitude the network gave the show the back 9 episode order. Now, keeping in mind that this still a rumor, and could be, after all, some other producer and some other show, I wouldn't put this past Joel Silver. The guy is powerful, yes, and has a lot of clout. He is also hated rather widely, and not a very nice human being when he doesn't have to be. Which is often enough. Having him in your corner can be a very good thing in terms of a career. On the other hand, it's sometimes a difficult corner to hang out in. This whole situation could be so bad for "Moonlight" actors and crew. They are not a cast of big names, they don't have the kind of clout that, say, Steve Corell or Eva Longoria do. JD and SS especiallay have worked with Silver before and have been singled out by him. They can't very well just walk out should the production continue with the foreign writers. On the other hand, JD clearly -- and I'm sure the others as well -- support the writers and wouldn't want to be in this position. This is just bad for all parties concerned (except the production company, obviously). I'm just really, really hoping that either a) it's a rumor and not true, b) if it's true, it's some other "bloody" show that has nothing to do with vampires and it's not Joel Silver that's doing this, or c) Daria is right and British writers will simply refuse to come here. Okay, now that I'm sufficiently freaked, I'll go look at JD's pic again. It'll make me smile. :) |
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skyroom80 |
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I've read, too, JaneD, about the rumor -- just today. It upset me enough that finally did some research into the strike. And I wrote an LJ public post about why I thnk this strike is important. I'll include the link and what I said. Daria, I'm now really hapy that Britain's writer's guild is going along with the strike. And Canada, New Zealand and Australia. Okay here's waht I wrote in a rare public post in my LJ (and here's the link) --
The TV Writer's Strike, and why it's important ... Here's the text: Quote:Yeah. And now I'm going back to look at Jason's pic because it just makes me feel better. |
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JaneDtwo |
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LOL, skyroom, looks like you and I have the same "makes me feel better" remedy. :)
Quote:Sigh, yeah. I'm allergic to unions. Or any organized labor -- or politica (and what's the distinction these days, really?) -- movement. Then again, I'm a recovering Soviet, so it stands to reason. The obvious power issues aside, the strike here really isn't about political games. It's a fairness question. That the production companies would hold the writers to the agreement made 20 years ago, factoring into it the market outlets not even conceived back then, is utterly ridiculous. There are many details to this struggle, but the bottom line is simple enough: at this point, the product the writers help create is bringing a lot of extra profits from the sources the writers get no cut of. It shouldn't matter where the profit comes from. If you helped create something and it sold, you should get compensated for your part. Period. It's not unreasonable, it's common sense. Still, it's unfortunate it came to such a drastic measure as a strike. Strikes are disruptive and potentially devastating for those involved. I sincerely wish this would end in a decent resolution and soon. And now back to gawking at JD. Thank you for the smile, Jason! :) |
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Depudor |
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Quote:Heh. I'm just the opposite, Jane. I come from a very pro-labor family. I've always honked whenever I've seen a picket line, and I'm shocked at how many times my friends have asked me why I'm honking. I still remember when I was in second grade, when my mother, a schoolteacher, went on strike. (Mainly I was excited that I didn't have to go to school). When I was in high school, there were student trips to several different European countries (the UK was the most popular), but my parents would only pay for me to go on one overseas trip. I chose the Soviet Union, and I loved it, loved seeing all of the monuments to The Worker, loved all of the proletariat modernism in the art and architecture. I was glad I got to experience that before it disappeared. A few years ago, the grocery workers in Los Angeles went on strike. It covered all the major grocery chains, so it was a pain in the ass to get to a grocery store that wasn't part of the strike, and I was limited to the smaller, more expensive stores. One afternoon I was dying for a cup of coffee and I drove by an Albertson's that had a Starbucks inside. I couldn't see any picketers outside, but since it still counts as crossing a picket line if you patronize a struck business even if there's no physical picket line present, I drove around the side of the parking lot until I found a few strikers, who were sitting down having a cigarette break. I got out of my car and asked them if it was OK for me to go into the Starbucks or if it counted as part of the grocery store and thus was forbidden territory. They were surprised and grateful that I asked, and they told me that the Starbucks was not considered part of the grocery store and I could go on in. I then offered to buy them all coffee, because that's how much I love unions. The point of all this is, if that blind item does refer to ML, and if Joel Silver does succeed in importing scabs to do the writers' work, it will be the last time I watch ML or any other WBTV-produced show. But I don't think it will happen, because my understanding is that the studios are guild signatories, and they are not allowed to hire writers who are not part of the WGA. When I was a writers' assistant, one of my jobs was to make a list of all of the writers working on the show that week -- either on staff or freelance -- and submit their names and social security numbers to the WGA. When we had a freelance episode given to a new writer who was not in the guild, he was contacted by the membership department at the WGA and told that we was expected to join if he wrote another script. (You can write one script without joining, but once you've two produced scripts you have to join.) So the point is, Joel Silver would have to be pretty sneaky to get this to work, unless the expiration of the MBA means that the studios are no longer a union shop. |
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enibelle |
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I'm not really into strikes because at the end of the day there's always a long list of non-strike related people suffering for this action too. Just think about all the people working on the set, caterers and so on. Furthermore I doubt the heads of the WGA, the people in charge for the negotiation won't keep getting their paycheck for the time being contrary to the writers on the streets picketing.
Of course, I want the writers to get their fair share out of their work, I'm just not convinced this strike is the right way to go with. And yes, the deep buried very egoistical, selfish part of me simply wants my every evening guilty pleasure on air after a hard day at work. ;) |
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stephanierb |
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Quote:The union members voted to strike, by a majority of 90%. That's pretty much unheard of in union history. So, the writers who are out picketing and not getting paid fully support the actions of the representatives negotiating on their behalf, even if they still are drawing a paycheck. Quote:I'm surprised, I would think that because you are a recovering Soviet that you'd be a union supporter. It's the existence of unions, and the voice they provide the individual worker, that prevents conditions deteriorating to the point where people are left with no recourse but to revolt. Unions help keep the balance and protect our current system. If corporations had their way, they'd do away with every obstacle to maximizing profit; including labor laws and unions. Their only concern is with the bottom line, but either they don't care or they don't realize that their shortsightedness could cost them a great deal more than a little bit of profit in the long run. It benefits us all to have checks and balances - not just in government but in the private sector as well. Just as we don't want a communist system, we don't want unfettered capitalism either. That way lies badness. I suppose you can tell that I fully support the strike. lol |
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secrets and lie |
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I just wanted to say that I fully and wholeheartedly support the writer's strike, despite the fact that it may mean financial hardship for my family and for many friends and acquaintances. The creators of TV shows and feature films have always gotten a raw deal in Hollywood. Unlike playwrights or novelists, the screenwriters do not actually own the copyright for their work. They gave that away to the studios back in the dawn of Hollywood for reasons that have to do with the way films were made back then. But as a result, screenwriters and TV writers have always gotten the short end of the stick. Their TV residuals aren't all that great, either; they get a certain percentage for the second run of a show, a smaller percentage for a later run, and so on, until it's practically pennies. And it's an incredibly ageist industry. Writers who haven't made it into the big leagues by their mid-forties are probably finished. So those residuals MATTER. It's their old (middle) age pension. Their security blanket, such as it is.
Twenty years ago, the writers allowed themselves to be shafted on DVD residuals. Now the studios and networks want to shaft them even more on internet residuals. This is BAD, folks. This is the future of entertainment distribution. If the writers cave on this, they might as well disband their union. Oh, and as for my union feelings -- man. I could write a treatise on this, but suffice to say that I've worked union and nonunion jobs in TV and film editing, as has my husband. And there's a WORLD of difference. The company can AND DOES exploit non-union workers. The union is far from a necessary evil. It's just plain necessary. Studios and networks have become more and more greedy/evil/corporate over the past several years. Here's a fantastic editorial on this from one of my idols, Marshall Herskovitz. |
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finajk |
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JaneDtwo, in reference to the "bloody" show you commented on above - this might not be referring to the presence of blood at all. "Bloody" is a British slang word often used with emphasis to describe something (much like some people in America describe any number of things as "F-ing")
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