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JaneDtwo |
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Much appreciated!
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JenniferH |
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Beyond awesome. You know how much I fricking love this.
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obsessedlikeneverb4 |
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Wow! That was good, but totally sapped all of the energy out of me. I feel so depressed, like I could cry but don't have the energy to.
It may not seem like it, but I'm speechless. What is V supposed to say or do after that? Really, even if she expresses her undying love for him, wouldn't it just be playing into what he has said about her/them. I can totally tell you worked out each and every one of the issues you had with RT after the finale. Although, you may have missed one. What about Duncan sleeping with the girl he thought was his sister? Then, it all being okay just because she turned out not to be. Yeah, he was a winner! :-) Anyway, looking forward to your next update. I'm hoping it won't send me to the railing of a bridge somewhere close (since I don't know where to find the Coronado Bridge). |
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daria103 |
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Absolutely loved it.
Firstly - the letter. I'm not even going to pull out parts of it that I liked (or affected me most), the whole thing hit me like a ton of bricks. I actually had tears in my eyes reading it, it was everything Logan should have ever said to Veronica, everything he should have called her out on and it was so heartbreaking and cathartic to read. I loved the way this chapter started and ended. There's a very petty part of me that felt a small sense of satisfaction at Veronica being the one hurting, after so many heartwrenching scenes of her inflicting hurt and rejection on Logan (not just in season 3). Anyway, moving on from the bitter ranting lol, I like the setup of her trying to find Logan. It makes sense that he would leave without telling her following their last few meetings in canon, not to hurt her but in the belief that she wouldn't care anyway. I loved your inclusion of the FBI internship; Quote: finally, some recognition that, given her shady past, she couldn't just walk into the FBI. I love you for including that. The "no-thrill rides of "Pizneyland"" is probably the funniest description I've ever heard of that relatioship, ever. Brilliant! When the paragraphs on clarity kicked in, that was probably my favourite part of the chapter. Quote: I loved the whole section on Keith, I can't really put into words why, it just seemed really right, like after everything that's exactly how he should be. The quote above was my favourite part though, Veronica felt so foreign to me in the third series that that particular sentence just jumped right off the page when I read it. I won't quote my favourite part because it's pretty much all of it and that would take up too much space lol, but the paragraphs on Logan in the cafateria scene were perfect. Everything you wrote about how Logan appeared in that scene, it was everything every Logan fan wanted for him at that moment and you could tell that it was written by someone who truly cared for and understood the character. It was perfect. I wish there had been more to Veronica's reaction after the letter ended but you probably ended the chapter at the right moment since now I'm absolutely dying for more It was really beautifully written Jane, I can't wait to see more of it. |
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skyroom80 |
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I've already commented on the LJ community. I'll just re-iterate how much I loved it! Thank you, once more, for a wonderful read.
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bfragrant |
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Wait a minute! You wrote this? I never would have guessed because you have a different handle at lj.
Really good stuff, but you know that already :) Yet you made a big mistake by posting here because well, I will be bugging you about the next chapters. Beware! :) |
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JaneDtwo |
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Wow. Guys, thank you so much!
obsessedlikeneverb4, I am so sorry I made you depressed! Would it help to know that I plan to make them deal with the problems head on and arrive at a positive place where they can be together? Because I am a LoVe shipper, and I needed to write this to get them where they should be. :) Quote: Oh, it would. Which is why I don't really see her expressing anything like that. Not directly, not right away. I see a lot of denial and accusations from her. But the letter has definitely sawn some much needed seeds. And the ground was fertile right then, because she is already wide open for some major soul-searching. What with her dad's troubles, the tape fiasco, hurting Piz and Logan, involving Wallace in a bad situation, etc. Did I mention this story was shaping up to be epic? LOL. Quote: Yeah, a real prince, that one. Snort. I wanted to include that, but I had to be careful of minding what Logan would and would not bring up. I figure it had cost him to even mention Shelley's party events in regards to Madison. I couldn't see him bringing Duncan's involvement up. Not in the small part because Logan blamed himself for Duncan's actions, drugging his drink and all. Though, personally, I always wondered just how "out of it" Duncan really was, considering he remembered what happened. And yeah, leaving her there in the morning all alone? And never mentioning it? Urgh. Quote: Riiiight. No pressure. LOL. No, seriously, keep in mind that this is like blood-letting. It hurts and it looks horrible, but the end result is lightness and healing. Quote: Thank you so much, daria! Sigh, I was kind of shocked how many people reacted to that letter. I guess I always thought I was in the minority mulling all these things over and lamenting the fact that Logan never got his say. Turns out, a lot of people felt that way. :) It was certainly cathartic for me to write. Quote: Thank you! It was important to me to make sure it didn't seem like a petty thing: make her worry, make her suffer. He has outgrown that, clearly, in canon, too. It was simply a desire to go someplace away from everyone and everything and take a look at his life. And he really didn't think she would give a damn. Quote: Aw! Thank you! I have so many issues with the whole Veronica in the FBI as an intern (yeah, right, after the freshman year, too!) or as a future agent, I don't even know where to start. I was this close to completely ignoring that particular plot point, but then I figured: I am staying with the canon on everything else, might as well address this. Suffice it to say, she is not going anywhere. LOL. Quote: God, yes. I know he is a parent, and for better or for worse, parents don't often have a clear view of their children. But Kieth was getting too blind ffor words! I would imagine, if reality has anything to do with the show, that following the events of the end of the season, he would look at her somewhat differently. I'm not saying he would love her less. Just trust her less. As well he should. Quote: LOL. Yes, busted. :) And oy! I know I will be bugged. :) I already am. But that's the good thing: It makes me work harder and not procrasinate! :) Thank you so much, skyroom, Jennifer, bfragrant, obsessedlikeneverb4! I love all your comments. |
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Bean0505 |
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This is fantastic!! I'd put up quotes as to what I liked most, but it'd take all day and I'd probably end up quoting the whole story!! :)
LOVE, LOVE, LoVe it!! The letter from Logan was perfect! Can't wait for for!! Thanks for sharing!! |
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Kathy109 |
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"Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in."
I've been so unhappy since the show's cancellation that I've decided to avoid everything VM for a while, but now..... NOT! This is going to be the cure! |
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JaneDtwo |
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Bean0505 , thank you so much! I love it when people say they want to quote the story. It tells me that it really struck the chord.
Kathy109 , wow! This is perhaps the best feedback I've gotten! I feel honored and a little afraid to disappoint with the next installment. LOL. But the next installment is coming soon. I promise. Thank you, again, guys! |
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LoVeDedicated |
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Absolutely loved it & I'm anxiously waiting for the next installment!
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XiuFang |
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Loved it!
And I'm usually someone who doesn't care much about fanfic and tends to get bored and close the eyes a lot while reading it. But this totally kept my attention from beginning to end. And Logan doesn't even really appear, it's just his letter. And although of course we can imagine him sprawled in bed, in boxers and a tank top writing the letter, looking heartbroken but determined and definitely yummy. For the next installment, I hope V will cry so much she'll go blind and pulls all of her out for losing The Guy. |
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daria103 |
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Ok so this won't be very long feedback because, for the first time in my life I've let a fic reduce me to a blubbering mess. I thought the first
chapter was intense, this was so much more, you're really getting down to the bare bones of things and dragging up every emotion we only wish the show had
dealt with.
I loved that Veronica was completely baffled by some of Logans thoughts and feelings on events in their relationship, that she honestly couldn't see why he would perceive some of her actions the way he did but then, eventually, had to admit that he might have been right. I also loved that in her conversation with Mac she still had to fight the urge to justify herself, that just because she'd had some realisations about her behaviour it didn't mean that the behaviour had ended and all the problems were solved. The trouble was that she had to admit that being exposed to treachery and fickleness of love - or what claimed to be love - and being hurt beyond repair by some of those she used to trust, had made her selfish in a way. Not of the "I'm the center of the Universe" kind but of the "at the end of the day we are all alone so do what you must to survive and the rest is collateral damage" variety. Except, for all the awfulness and all the losses, Veronica knew she had never been truly alone. She always had at least one person she could turn to, lean on. At the worst, loneliest time of her life, there was her father. An outcast like herself, trying to rebuild a life on a shaky ground, but there for her: Strong, invariably cheerful, fiercely protective and always loving. Even if she couldn't bear to tell him most of what she was going through, just having him around - steady and unflappable - helped. It was an island of light in the sea of blackness, a solid land of hope, decency and warmth to hang on to while everything around her shifted: Values, perceptions, relationships, loyalties, realities and feelings. No, she was never as alone as she used to consider herself. Logan was, though, Veronica thought with a pang. For most of his life. How old was he, she wondered, when he first realized that no one would protect him from harm? Five? Eight? How young did he have to be to accept the "all alone" status and live with it? She knew he tried to tell. Trina let it slip. He wasn't believed; that was obvious. Who else had he tried to appeal to? Who else had dismissed, ignored, sympathized-but-did-nothing? She remembered with the chilly vividness of an unrelenting nightmare what it felt like to realize no one was coming to your aid and no one was going to punish your transgressors. That you were by yourself with your pain, your devastation, your fear and your shame, and the people whose responsibility it was to stand up for you were either too weak or worse, didn't care. Veronica remembered well what it did to her at sixteen. She also remembered retreating home to her father for a shelter. She could not imagine what it did to Logan at such a young age, at home and with the people that were furthest from any kind of shelter. It bothered her that she hadn't asked. How old was he when he made his defeated peace with the realities of his life? Realities like an unstable father, semi-catatonic mother, self-absorbed sister and various impersonal staff paid to mind their own business? How old was he when he realized his best friend either knew or suspected enough, but didn't say or do anything? That the girl he loved preferred to ignore the signs and dismiss his pain because these things were such downers and she was all about the fun? And that if he loved her and wanted to keep her, he would have to act as if fun was all he had? This had to be alone as alone got. And maybe Logan could have found other friends, other, less self-involved, less casually cruel, less happily oblivious (she thought guiltily), but probably by that time he had learned that this was the norm. That most people were like that. That he was a freak for getting attached too deeply and too unconditionally. And that emotions such as these were better hidden or downplayed if accidentally revealed because the Universe was filled with "it's-all-about-me" Kanes and "love-is-pain-and-you're-on-your-own-kid" Echolls'. Not for the first time Veronica wondered how he survived. Did he survive? This was the part that finally did me in, reading it I felt like this was the first time that Veronica ever really stopped to think about what Logans life had been like. It just feels like a missing scene from canon or something, you know, something that should have had more attention but didn't and this is what we've been waiting for. I really adored that in her thoughts, her own inability to help him is acknowledged, blame is not just heaped on Duncan and Lilly for knowing but also on Veronica for choosing to remain oblivious. It's hard to put into words but I just found this paragraph in particular really standing out to me, I kind of feel like this is the fic I so needed to read but I didn't know I needed it until it was written (if that makes any sense). It's affecting me so much more emotionally than I've ever let a fic (or even thought one would) affect me before. Anyway I'm off to dry my eyes and wonder where my self control went, as always, exellent writing. |
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OMG!!!! I just put 2 & 2 together & realized you're on my LJ F-list!!!!!
One of my favorite people over there is one of my favorite people over here! Woot!!!!! (hehe oh & I'm loving the fic too, as I love all your work - either fic or pic!) |
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JaneDtwo |
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Daria! Thank you so, so much! You have no idea what it means to me to get a feedback like this! All the time and effort I put into this fic is
worth it just for this. And I am not kidding. Sigh. I first did it for the sheer therapy of it. Reclaiming Veronica, so to speak. But the response I've
been getting is overwhelming and it tells me I'm far from alone in needing this therapy.
Thank you again so much! Please don't cry! finajk, hey there! I thought you knew I was "hiddeneloise"! |
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finajk |
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With the way my week's been I very well might have... but I got to discover it all over again
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This is really outstanding, JaneDtwo.
Not only you had captured Logan really well, but now you've actually managed to quite capture Veronica at the same time portray her under a somehow positive light. Plus, the writing was top-notch, I've even picked up a couple of new words, which might come in handy for my English Proficiency exam I'm taking in June. |
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JaneDtwo |
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Plus, the writing was top-notch, I've even picked up a couple of new words, which might come in handy for my English Proficiency exam I'm taking in
June.
Wow! That is a real complement! When your writing becomes educational, you have arrived! LOL. Good luck on your exam, btw. And thank you! |
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One day I'll be able to leave a proper feedback for you. For now I'm still stuck with wow, awesome, breathtaking, intriguing, superb, thoughtful for
every aspect of this story. Not only is your writing excellent, your characterization is outstanding and spot on.
Your Veronica makes sense, finally I might be able to make my peace with this unique Veronica. The Veronica/Mac meeting was all kinds of awesome and as well very true to the characters. I heart the Logan and Mac friendship without any Veronica involvement and even more that they stayed in touch without the tiny blonde being the top topic. Now please, for the love of Logan, bring on the letter. And kind regards and thanks to your betas. |
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JaneDtwo |
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Enibelle, much like your icon, you rock!
Thank you! I've been writing and re-writing this for so long, I no longer have any idea if it works or not. So getting feedback like that is all kinds of wonderful! *Hugs!* And I so hear you! Making sense out of Veronica and claiming her back from the distant hell the show had relegated her to was the reason I started writing this. Because I do get why she would be the way she was. Goodness knows, there are tons of reasons for her to turn out like that. What made no sense was the implied feeling that it was okay for her to end up there. Add to that some of the acting choices and the lack of voiceovers filled with honest vulnerability we used to get from her in season 1, and it was almost unbearable to watch. Sigh. Anyway, this is really epic, and I am so grateful for people sticking with it! The next part will be posted soon (fingers crossed). Certainly I won't allow 3 months go by the way I did with this. Thank you again, from me and my betas! |
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JaneDtwo wrote: I haven't left any feedback yet for part b, but I wanted to comment that this is exactly my feeling on Veronica. I completely understand why she
turned out this way, in fact, I would've preferred to see her get a bit darker, get lost a little bit more after the fall-out from the Neptune Grand roof
and the rape investigation. I've said it before, there was some serious opportunity for great drama and they dropped the ball.
That's why I'm enjoying this fic so much, because that self-reflection that we so desperately wanted to see from her on the show can be realized, even if it's not canon. I haven't written Veronica off completely, and this story is allowing me to rediscover my love for her and even though this fic hasn't rewritten her behavior in S3, I find myself understanding it so much more clearly, and finding her sympathetic once more. That's no easy feat, I assure you. Her conversation with Mac is spot on. Mac would definitely be uncomfortable with discussing things of this nature, but she's still open with Veronica, and Veronica is in return, which is imperative if she wants to grow. I mentioned in an earlier comment that Veronica can't completely open up about her issues because so much of them are rooted in her rape, and bringing that up would open a whole new can of worms. And I totally understand that. But it's nice that Veronica can talk about some of it with a friend and realize that it's okay to be open and vulnerable. And of course, I love that Mac and Logan have become good friends. Logan desperately needs more people like Mac in his life. That was something good we got from the show, at least. I can't wait to read what's in Veronica's letter to Logan, and I'm anxious for when they eventually meet face to face. I'm currently reading another WIP, shangri__la's "Come Around", and that's loaded with angst and there's all this build-up and the suspense is killing me! I need LoVe to hash it out and heal and come together again. I feel the same with this, though it's not as angsty and I suspect the payoff will come sooner rather than later. I'm so happy that good fic is still being written in this fandom, even though it's getting fewer and farther between. |
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